Trying 2 Win

Rarely do you find a legal podcast as raw, candid and powerful as Trying 2 Win, a show about real-life legal battles inside and outside the courtroom. Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr, co-founders of Lincoln Derr, have practiced law for more than 25 years. In building an enviable track record of success, they’ve also collected incredible stories. In Trying 2 Win, they share those stories, covering everything from early successes and failures to diversity in the courtroom to challenging witness interrogations and more. They also host special guests who share their unique experiences, whether that’s building a case behind the scenes or fighting it out in court. Whether you’re new to your law career or a seasoned veteran, this is the legal podcast you’ve been waiting for. It’s everything you wish they taught you in law school and so much more.


October 11, 2021
Unfurling the ‘scarlet thread of fairness’ with Judge Jesse Caldwell III Episode 10
By Lincoln Derr

In this episode of Trying 2 Win, Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr talk with recently retired Superior Court Judge Jesse Caldwell III, who has nearly 50 years of courtroom experience that culminated in a 28-year stint as a Superior Court judge in Gaston County, making him the longest-serving Superior Court Judge in the division.

Dubbed “the renaissance man” by Tricia, Judge Caldwell has many interests that he feels have helped him both on the bench and as a lawyer. He’s an actor, writer, foodie, and preacher who said his biggest interest is the people in his community…

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August 18, 2021
First Liar Always Loses: The “Brief Series”
By Lincoln Derr

First Liar Always Loses Honesty is the best policy, and when you’re before a judge, it’s your safest bet. In this “Brief Series” episode (only 10 minutes) , Tricia and Sara discuss why lying in the courtroom is a bad […]

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July 28, 2021
Pressing Pause on Your Legal Career with Heather Fuller : Episode 9
By Lincoln Derr

Pressing Pause on Your Legal Career In this episode of Trying 2 Win, Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr talk with Heather Fuller, a Lincoln Derr attorney and published author. Heather’s professional journey includes passing the bar twice and 10 years […]

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June 16, 2021
The “Brief” Series: Mamaw and the Three-Legged Dog
By Lincoln Derr

Mamaw and the Three-Legged Dog In this insightful bonus episode, Sara and Tricia explore how searching for a scapegoat can backfire. Tricia opens with a funny story from her childhood about her grandmother (Mamaw), her three-legged dog and an invisible […]

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June 2, 2021
The Intersection of Art and Law with Sally Higgins – Episode 8
By Lincoln Derr

In this episode of Trying 2 Win Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr talk with Sally Higgins, a lawyer turned artist turned painter, who created the podcast’s cover art background, “Brave Enough.”

“Creative” is not a word often associated with lawyers or the legal system. In society, many view lawyers (and those in other legal positions) as people driven by logic, precision and persuasion. While they are not wrong, there is much more to it. In addition to delivering perfectly worded closing arguments to the courtroom, successful lawyers possess creative skills that are crucial to the job.

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May 25, 2021
Trials and Tribulations of Virtual Litigation- Episode 7
By Lincoln Derr

In this episode of Trying 2 Win, Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr, sit down with attorneys Heather Fuller and Phoebe Coddington to discuss the do’s and don’ts of the virtual courtroom.

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